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The Celtics interest in Justise Winslow and Melo trade talk

Chuck - Red's Army December 1, 2015 Celtics News 15 Comments

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With the early season success of Knicks 1st rounder Kristaps Porzingis, Zach Lowe has some insight on draft night deal-making. We knew the Celtics tried to get Charlotte’s pick at #9, but apparently Boston wanted to move up even higher:

Porzingis was there, though not without some drama. The Celtics were hell-bent on moving up to draft Justise Winslow, and offered the Hornets four first-round picks — including one of Brooklyn’s unprotected picks — for Charlotte’s No. 9 pick. But that was Boston’s fall-back plan, sources say. Boston initially chased Charlotte’s pick with the idea of sending it to the Knicks, along with Boston’s No. 15 pick, to vault all the way into New York’s draft slot — where they would take Winslow. Charlotte refused Boston’s pitches, and the scenario died. The Knicks downplay their interest in Boston’s offer, though it’s fascinating to consider how the draft might have played out — and which fan base would be chanting “POR-ZIN-GIS!” today — had the Celtics swooped in for Winslow at No. 4

“We listened,” Mills says. “But we were never close.”

Wow… Danny Ainge REALLY liked Winslow. I wonder how’d you all feel if the Celtics had a chance for the 7-3 Latvian but passed? Winslow has played ok, but he hasn’t set the world on fire like Porzingis.

Lowe’s article explores the possibility of NY trading 31-year old Carmelo Anthony. The Celtics are one of a slew of teams reference:

Boston Celtics: A popular nominee among rival executives, since the Celtics could acquire Anthony, their alleged missing go-to guy, without hurting their current team. Even James Dolan would have to think about a package of David Lee, Brooklyn’s unprotected 2016 first-round pick, and salary filler.

That pick could become Ben Simmons! Rebuilding around Porzingis, and without Anthony, would bring some short-term pain, but that pick is exactly the sort of asset that is worth some pain. The pick probably won’t become Ben Simmons, of course. Brooklyn is bad, but it’s hard to imagine them finishing behind Philly or the Lakers. Even in the losingest scenario, they’ll enter the lottery in third position — with only a 15.6 percent chance at landing the top pick.

There is no evidence these teams have ever discussed a Melo deal, per league sources. Boston likely wants a better gauge on where Brooklyn’s pick might end up, and Melo doesn’t fit their developmental timeline — or Brad Stevens’ pass-happy style of play.

Ainge should be committed to an insane asylum if he involves the Brooklyn pick in a deal for Carmelo. At one time I was intrigued with the possibility of Anthony playing for the Celtics. But he’s going to be 32 in May, and while quickness has never been a big part of his game, I’m a bit nervous trading a major asset for an aging star.

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  • Richard Jensen

    “since the Celtics could acquire Anthony, their alleged missing go-to guy, without hurting their current team”

    I don’t think Zach Lowe has paid close attention to the Celtics for quite a while now.

    I can’t think of an available* ‘star’ that would do more to hurt the Celtics than this ball hog who doesn’t play defense.

    *Because DWade, Harden & Kobe would also wreck the Celtics, but they’re not on the market.

    • Curt Hays

      My thoughts exactly.

      That said, I’m still not opposed to letting the Nets Pick go for something good. Mainly because we all know that Cleveland will get the #1 pick anyway.

      • wil

        i hope NBA rigs it for us and gives us the top pick since what 76ers are doing is really just disgusting. lol

        Sadly i dont think theres alot of players that fit the C’s needs that are available targets.

        • Curt Hays

          If they give us the first pick, someone will trade us for him!

    • MJ

      He actually points out later on that Melo wouldn’t fit in CBS’ system.

  • RedsLoveChild

    Carmelo Anthony and winning has never gone hand-in-hand. It would be a huge step backwards for Boston, and would be done strictly out of sheer boredom or a crazy desire to briefly make headlines. Buyer`s remorse would set in within the first 24 hours, if not sooner.

    The Celts could`ve drafted Winslow at #10…but, the desire to win those 3 extra regular season games {along with the opportunity to get pummeled by LBJ in the 1st round} was much too enticing to pass up.

  • Justin Quinn

    http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=nzmx3jg plus this year’s minny and boston 1sts [assuming minny becomes a 1st] for miami and nyk respectively, plus a smattering of the 2nds or a non-lottery first in future years. everyone wins.

    • Curt Hays

      I don’t see how that makes us any better than we currently are.

      We’d have more trade assets but fewer draft picks.

      • Justin Quinn

        firstly, draft picks ARE assets.

        remember we tried to move several firsts just for winslow. for considerably less, we’d get a player as good or better than lee who can also create better spacing AND winslow. the other players are filler who’d likely get cut at under 2m combined salary.

        so, two late lottery firsts and a bunch of 2nds for a minor upgrade in the rotation at half the cost (more salary cap room for FA to boot at ~8m) with better fitting parts under cheap long term contracts isn’t an upgrade?

        oooook.

        • Curt Hays

          It’s not a stupid trade, but I’m not savy enough to know if it’s a great idea.

          You’re saying that McRoberts is at least as good as David Lee? I just don’t see it. Looking at the trade again, we do get more [stats] for our money, but that doesn’t necessarily mean we get more wins.

          Winslow could end up being a big deal on this team, (someone on this blog was touting Cleanthony back when he was in college, and may have been right) and Early is probably worth more than James Young at least. So it isn’t all bad.

          I just don’t see how giving up all those picks and a 1-year salary (of a former all-star/nba champ) is going to make us any better. David Lee is better as a Celtic [this year] than anyone else in that trade. Not that we’re going to the ship because of him.

          Also, how funny would it be to see Wade/Bosh/Carmelo not even make the playoffs? It makes LeBron look good though.

          • Justin Quinn

            http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=leeda02&p2=mcrobjo01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none

            if you check the stats based on 100 possessions (or 36m), you get pretty similar numbers, with one key difference – mcroberts respectable 3pt %. blocks are a little better too. overall, lee has put up much better numbers, but i think it’s safe to say he’s going to be a 2nd string rotation guy going forward at this point, and won’t be signing with us next year unless it’s mid-level or lower. i hoped he’d be the 20 and 10 guy he used to be, but he’s just an OK vet…which is fine. mcroberts, however, can give us the same numbers plus the crucial addition of a 3pt threat for a third the cost…and we get a prospect at a needed wing position we tried to dump 4 to 5 1sts for for as little as one to possibly three. i’d probably keep cleanthony over young too – he looks like a safe bet for a similar level rotational player, and can handle third string now – even if young *might* have a chance to reach his arguably high ceiling [i’m not buying it].

            i’m also a fan of this trade because it makes sense for the contention trajectory of each team as well as their general coaching style…and because there’s a fantastic chance age limits them from being a second elite obstacle next year.

            not going to happen, but i like to try to think out trades that make sense for the most part if i am going to link it.

          • Curt Hays

            It is useful for people with the creativity, like you, to put together something like this for people that aren’t creative (me).

            I look at the comparison and tend to prefer David Lee’s numbers. We have enough guys that can jack up threes. I like that Lee stays in the paint and gets significantly more rebounds. There’s no way that Lee gets $15M next year. I bet he doesn’t get half that. Maybe 5. So the value issue is non-issue to me.

            For the most part, the only part we disagree on is the Lee/McRoberts value. The trade appears to be a good idea, regardless. I think we like it for different reasons.

            It might be worth getting Winslow, but there’s also the option of trading Lee’s 1-year salary to someone who wants to clear cap space…or keep it so that WE can clear cap space.

  • Falcon Falcone

    Its a pipe dream. The C’s learned when they acquired Dominique Wilkins, a similar style player (shoot first, me first type) who was also aging.

  • Bayern

    thank you MJ you are a genius.

    • Andy

      yes im glad we didnt get winslow he is a nice player but not worth 4 picks