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Your Morning Dump… Where it’s 50/50 the Celtics extend Tyler Zeller?

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The Celtics and Zeller have talked about a deal and there is a belief if Zeller wants to lock in security, the C’s would be open to a deal. The problem is if Zeller wants to maximize his value he may have to take a trip through restricted free agency. There is a deal possible between Zeller and the Celtics; it’s about 50/50, according to sources close to the process.

Basketball Insiders

Tyler Zeller is one of many 2012 draftees now eligible for a contract extension. I touched on his situation about a week ago.

Saying the likelihood of a deal is “50-50” doesn’t shed much light on the negotiations. With the salary cap approaching $90 million next summer and the Celtics committed to a mere $25 million in contracts, it’s safe to say this season is an open audition for just about everyone on the roster.

If I was Danny Ainge, I’d wait out Zeller. Maintain that flexibility. Even if TZ puts forth a superstar-caliber effort this season (say 20 ppg, 10 rpg), the Celtics will still be able to afford him.

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ESPN Boston – Summer forecast: Star search | ESPN Insider – Worst newcomer – Rondo a dinosaur

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  • Curt Hays

    Wouldn’t it make more sense to sign him now, as low as possible?

    • Justin Quinn

      i think he might be able to be extended for single digit millions if it gets done before the season starts. 3y/9m would keep flexibility open and make him a very valuable contract, too while not shortchanging his long term earning potential.

      • chuckmckenney

        I think it takes a minimum of $12 million per year for Zeller to agree to term. No way he takes $9 mil per.

        • Justin Quinn

          you’re probably right. i can’t imagine a talented player taking below market value to secure a spot on a contending team over the next 2-3 years.

          oh, wait, yes i can.

          http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2015/7/9/8922483/tim-duncan-contract-discount-spurs-nba-free-agency

          or even on our team

          http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/13185551/2015-nba-free-agency-boston-celtics-keep-jae-crowder-5-year-35-million-contract

          i’m not by any means saying it’s going to happen, it’s all about what tyler wants, but to say he wouldn’t take 9m when there are actually many centers at his level or better earning comparable wages isn’t necessarily certain either.

          • Banner18

            Agreed. You never know what will happen injury wise or through trades or simply not getting the minutes. Brandon Wright got 3/18 and Koufos 4/33 this summer. Robin Lopez was overpaid at 4/54 but he is a similar offensive player to Zeller and much better defender. Asik was also overpaid at 5/60 and Zeller is a slightly better offensive player than him, but again not nearly the defender. I’d say that the security of a long-term deal and knowing his role is defined and valued by his coach and this organization (similar to Crowder) would be enough to get Zeller extended 5 years in the 40-45 million range. If it is closer to 40 maybe give him an opt-out after year 3 or 4.

          • Jim Card

            Statistically, Zeller is a better defender than Asik; and, he maintains position within the team framework as well.
            Also, to say Zeller is only slightly better offensively is ridiculous. He is very solid offensively and must be respected by defenders.

          • Banner18

            Asik had an off year defensively and still was slightly better than Zeller in terms of opponents FG%, blocks, steals and other defensive stats. Not sure which stats you were using. I think if you take their last 3 years combined then Zeller comes out as not nearly the defender Asik is, but for just this past season he certainly closed the gap. Asik is a career 10 point 4 offensive rebound guy per 36 mins who shoots a solid 54% from the field but a terrible 55% from the line. Zeller is a 14 point, 3 offensive reb guy per 36 mins who shoots a solid 50% from the floor and a very good (for a big) 77% from the line. I have seen Asik dunk with power many times and rarely see Zeller do so, but Tyler is definitely the more gifted offensive player overall and his slightly better PER’s confirm this. Considering Zeller is 25 and Asik 29, and I’ve already said Asik is overpaid, there is no question I would rather pay Zeller on his cheap rookie contract one more year and than match a deal up to 4 years and 48 million for him as a RFA (prefer to extend him now at 5/45 though) over just being given Asik for free next summer, letting Zeller walk and paying Omar 4/48 for his age 30-33 seasons.

          • Curt Hays

            There are guys who have taken it, but it’s because they LOVE where they are. I think @chuckmckenney:disqus is right.

            However, with Zeller being as expressionless as Brad Stevens, Zeller could be the happiest he has ever been.

            He’s from a bball family. I’d think he’s smarter enough to go after a little more money.

            Edit: Smart enough or has enough people around him.

        • Sean

          I agree with chuckmckenney on the price. I don’t think he’s worth that much though. Even with the inflated salaries.

  • Alex Costa

    I hope they keep Zeller. He would be a great backup Center for the C’s if they can find a way to bring a more talented Center into their roster. We’d be completely covered for a position we’ve struggled to find players for…

  • Sean

    Idk. Ainge got him for nothing, makes no sense to break the bank to keep him.

    • Jim Card

      Sunk costs regardless of how low they might have been have absolutely no bearing on future decisions.

      • Sean

        Ideally yes since you can’t recover the cost. But you’re nuts if you think what Ainge has to give up for players doesn’t play into the future. For example, he gave up KG, P2, and Terry for all those picks. He won’t just give those picks away without worrying about sunk costs because he had to give up so much for that asset. It’s still business but I do think it gets factored.

      • Sean

        Also, since there’s so many bigs on the roster it wouldn’t surprise me if they let him walk or trade him. So far in his career I don’t think he’s good enough to keep or pay more than the bigs already on the roster.

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  • Frank Aziza

    See if he gets much better. If he’s a 17-10 guy we can afford him

  • wil

    i like zeller, he is one of the efficient ones on the team. We ranked high in p&r points mostly because of him. Its just a matter of learning to play with other guys.

    Sully mostly struggles when Zeller is on the floor. Might be because they are most comfortable in the same spots. Good 7 footers are pretty pricey. If we can lock him up, he can be an asset.

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  • Rod Shaftwell

    GodZeller is worth 10+ easy in the new NBA.

    Wait until this guy actually starts to get some respect from the Refs and he will be vastly more efficient than he already is.